Friday, June 17, 2005

Mercury, Autism, and Imus

OracKnows provides consistently smart analysis of the mercury/thimerosal/autism "link" debate, and this morning, has a comprehensive fisking of a Salon/Rolling Stone "expose" on the subject.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who wrote the article in question, has decided to crusade on this issue, which is being positioned in conspiracy and "cover-up" terms. The culprits of course, are big Drug companies and Government agencies, the victims, families and children. This probably makes sense to a lot of people, that Eli Lilly and the US Government have essentially joined forces to cause an autism epidemic by using mercury in vaccines, and are covering up the evidence so well that no scientist has been able to prove any of it.

Thank God self appointed activists like RFK Jr. can step in to reveal all of this to us. We can trust him, but not scientists.

Coincidentally, David Kirby, author of Evidence of Harm, was on Imus in the Morning today. Don Imus, who has significant influence with politicians and journalists, has also hopped on the mercury/autism bandwagon, although he is good at talking out of both sides of his mouth on the subject. On one hand, he emphasizes that there is "no scientific proof" of a link, but at the same time, he pushes Kirby's biased, unscientific book, and he urges Senators, Congressmen and journalists to investigate. (I think RFK Jr. was to have been on, but I had to get to work).

I have heard Imus bring this subject up with John McCain, Congressman Harold Ford, and this morning, Chris Matthews, and none of them have questioned the "link" between autism and mercury. Imus needs to stick to subjects he knows, like political parody or country music.

On the Imus show, Kirby once again played the "objective" reporter just looking for the "truth", and Imus congratulated him on this objectivity, and his book's "balance". Ridiculous.

Two interesting points that Kirby brought up.

One, he claims that autism rates among 3-4 year olds in two states - Indiana and (NC? not sure of the other one) are dropping. He refered to "a study"that is showing this to be the case, and is making a direct connection to the removal of thimerosal from vaccines for these states in 2001. However, he did not name the study, or provide any other information on it, and he referred to "slight drops" in the rates, which of course could be, and will probably be, statistically unimportant. Kirby conveniently leaves out the fact that while Denmark and Canada removed thimerosal from vaccines in 1995, there have been no measurable drops in autism rates in those countries. From the OracKnows post:


In any case, if thimerosal in vaccines were the cause of autism, we would expect autism rates in Denmark and Canada to have plummeted recently, because Denmark eliminated thimerosal from its vaccines by 1995 and Canada removed them around the same time. No such decrease in autism rates has occurred in either country, even though there has been more than enough time for such a decrease to make itself apparent if there were truly a link between mercury exposure and autism

and

That there has been no such decrease is very strong epidemiological evidence that there is no link.

This is how science works, but many, RFK, Don Imus, and unfortunately, desperate parents of autistic children, refuse to acknowledge this.


Second, Kirby bluntly stated that he expects congressional hearings by the fall on this subject. I suppose that this would be good and bad, but mostly bad. The facts and good science could win the debate in a forum like this, but the media will of course spin the story and offer soundbites from grieving parents and spotlight whore activists.

Congressional investigations will just lead us to where we are now, with thousands of parents of autistic children clinging to bad science and useless speculation in an attempt to ease their pain. But none of this will help them, or their children.

Imus, David Kirby, and Robert F. Kennedy should be ashamed.

15 Comments:

Blogger Autism Diva said...

Thank you very much.

Autism Diva hasn't seen theOrac Knows blog entry yet. Kennedy appears to have gone looking for the evidence he wanted. Lujene Clark appears to be taking the credit (on the EoHarm Yahoo! Group which is linked to from Kirby's site).

The group keeps praising her for "working behind the scenes" and she seems to know stuff that might only come from Kennedy himself (or his staff). She announced quite quickly that ABC had decided not to air an interview with him that was like the Rolling Stone/Salon.com piece. Then came back a few hours later with news that ABC had reconsidered.

Lujene looks like a nut, in the opinion of Autism Diva, but apparently a persuasive one.

Lujene is interviewed on Salon.com, too.

The "Big Pharma" and gov't guys from Simspsonwood thought there was a vast increase in autism and so felt that thimerosol may have been to blame, why? There was no vast increase, it sounds like they had been convinced by a few activistis that there was, but there wasn't.


Thanks again.


Autism Diva

12:11 PM  
Anonymous paul said...

Thanks for coming by my blog on this. It will be interesting to watch as this argument makes its way back to the mainstream media.

I just wanted to reiterate that it looks like this group, with the likes of RFK, Kirby,Salon, Rolling Stone, (not to mention such esteemed experts as Bill Maher) is just now gearing up for a fight, based on Kirby's comments on Imus this morning. He basically guaranteed a congressional investigation this fall. Also, in addition to the ABC coverage, Kirby also mentioned that many Fox affiliates were picking up the story at the local level. Typical scare mongering for tv news.

Ultimately, I believe this is extremely damaging to families with autistic kids. All in the name of vilifying/scapegoating big pharma.

2:08 PM  
Blogger Autism Diva said...

Did you see what Kirby wrote on the Huffington Post? He says, "bring it on" speaking to the big guys from the gov't. He's going to debate them on thimerosal. They'd mop the floor with him, he doesn't know science.

He's bragged on the British Medical Journal Rapid Response board that he wants to debate this, then he never went back to answer the rational questions posed there, and it's been like 3 weeks or more, if Autism Diva remembers right.
There's a link to that on his wikipedia entry.
something like... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kirby

He's blustering. Why would any scientist waste their time with him? My blog covers some of the errors in his book, but there are more that Autism Diva hasn't written about yet.

So will there be a giant mea culpa coming from the media in a few weeks? Not likely. More like:

"We're all GONNA DIE!! Tune in for details with Paul Prinkly and David Slick on action news at 11"

gack

Autism Diva

2:32 PM  
Anonymous paul said...

It is interesting that a highly complex subject like this has very few scientists behind it. Kirby and Kennedy will get their clocks cleaned by experts, but unfortunately this will not matter. The public and media apparently have a big appetite for junk science.

Hate to say it, but I think Kirby may just be interested in selling books.

3:56 PM  
Blogger Orac said...

I wouldn't be so sure that Kirby will "get his clock cleaned" by vaccine scientists in a debate. He might on the science, but that's an entirely different matter than in the court of public perception and opinion.

It's a similar situation to that of creationists. They routinely lose on the science, but, because most scientists are used to thinking in a different way and are not good at crowd-pleasing sound-bites, it is not at all uncommon for a clever "intelligent design" creationist to be perceived as having "won" debates with scientists or at least as having held his own. Such "debates" must be approached very carefully, because most scientists who engage in them are not prepared for what is really required. It's also not at all uncommon for creationists to come up with all sorts of obscure facts that seem to support their case. If you're not familiar with them, you can sound unknowledgeable.

7:10 PM  
Blogger Tyler Simons said...

Thanks for the heads up. I heard one little thing about this and was disturbed, but skeptical. I talked about it on my blog, and the only person who seemed to see a problem is obviously nuts. I'm gonna check out OracKnows, now.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Imus is on the way to finding out not what, but who is behind so-called autism. It has indeed been given to the better part of an entire generation, and those responsible are simply out to get him.

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1:56 AM  
Blogger The Buck Stops said...

Orac,
I find rather revealing your comment that creationists "routinely lose on the
science" in debates against "scientists."

The way you have structured the question, there are scientists on one side and
non-scientists on the other side. Of course we know which side will "lose on the
science."

To bring this thinking pattern over into the topic at hand, let's repeat what you
wrote, with the names changed:

Such "debates" must be approached very carefully, because most vaccinators
who engage in them are not prepared for what is really required. It's also not at
all uncommon for anti-vaccinators to come up with all sorts of obscure facts that
seem to support their case. If you're not familiar with them, you can sound
unknowledgeable.

Since all anti-vaccinators are trying to prove is either:
a) Vaccines aren't helpful
or
b) Vaccines are dangerous;

then anyone wanting to administer a vaccine in the face of evidence supporting
these two allegations had better at least know what it is.

4:04 PM  

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